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Post by asdf on Sept 2, 2014 17:35:20 GMT 10
as to your thoughts on masters lifting and qualifying for international events.Im well aware theres some pretty accomplished lifters who post on this board.How do you feel having to be on the same team as someone who may not have a good total but gets in by virtue of age.
I see on the PA website that that qualifying criteria is "to have lifted".In your eyes should there be a minimum total graded according to age?,or keep the status quo or apply the same qualifying criteria to open lifters?
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Post by asdf on Sept 3, 2014 14:56:45 GMT 10
I know it wouldnt matter to the stronger m1s and m2s as they would view the minimum qualifying total for the opens as a walk in the park,and i guess from my own perspective having a strong goal to try and accomplish can only be a good thing.
i have no agenda here and im quite ambivalent about what the current situation is now.I applaud the older generation getting up and lifting,its inspiring.
my own viewpoint is that i regard powerlifting as an individual sport.u can be part of a training group yet still want to out total who u train with.
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Post by sealion on Sept 3, 2014 15:55:03 GMT 10
I think you see it across all levels of powerlifting, not just Masters. The sport is still too new/unpopular to have the population to fill out international events with high caliber of lifting. So for the most part, if you can fund yourself, and meet the qualifying total (relatively low for junior, and no qualifying total for masters), then you can lift. The qualifying criteria comes down to supply and demand, not many lifters, therefore low qualifying required. PA is a business after all, and the more lifters it can have the more money it makes.
I dislike though how it can make the events boring, sitting through 1/3 to 1/2 of the the people who have zero chance of medaling compete.
FYI i am a mediocre open lifter.
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Post by asdf on Sept 4, 2014 14:53:49 GMT 10
This is a pretty quiet board man.which is probably not a bad thing.And i agree with the majority of what you have to say.
I disagree with the boring and mediocre parts of your post,but thats because im a relative beginner to competing,and find even 180 kg grinds with deadlifts funny as i saw the other day at the open.
Theres also the aspect that if you eliminate the weaker lifters then unless you are planning on inventing a version of "speed powerlifting" where the competitors are having a 2 min rest inbetween attempts..much like rugby sevens or 20/20 cricket lol.
You also must consider that people gotta start somewhere..yesterdays 180 kg deadlifter may be todays 200 kger and then tommorrows 250 kg man.Dont count out the fact that someone may be crap now..they may not end up being crap if they stick at it.
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Post by asdf on Sept 4, 2014 15:06:19 GMT 10
i actually like Robot Wilks.i think hes smart.and controls the organisation by delegation.hes not a meglomaniac.Whether his strategy of encouraging participation by making it "easier"is a good thing,im still digesting this..i think for older people who may have finished playing a sport and wanna give something else a go,then theres the avenue of powerlifting.
i dont know if powerlifting is that unpopular as you say.Id say probably hazard a guess and say every professional contact sports team would incorporate some form of test which includes the squat bench and dead.
Theres definately a market there and potential to grow.
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Post by sealion on Sept 5, 2014 8:47:31 GMT 10
To clarify, my post was specifically intended for national/international events. I can go to a beginner comp and enjoy it more than most, as you say the 180kg grinds can be great to watch.
PA does quite well to cater to the beginner; plenty of novice comps throughout the year, and everyone encourage to give it a go. I just don't expect to see novices at higher grade events.
You touched on, if you remove the beginners there would be "speed" powerlifting. I was more suggesting that i hope one day, they could fill out events with enough people of elite lifters so the competition is still there, but more competitive.
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Post by asdf on Sept 5, 2014 17:42:58 GMT 10
Thanks for clarifying.im not entirely sure who you are,but i think we competed at the same meet on the 26th of april.Are you the guy with the pretty big bench at 83 kg?
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Post by asdf on Sept 5, 2014 17:48:14 GMT 10
im assuming that you are,if not please correct me..if Wilks came along and said.. i want to pick you,would you turn him down based on the fact you were unlikely to medal?
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Post by sealion on Sept 6, 2014 13:50:31 GMT 10
i competed 83s in that meet. Benched 142.5 as opener and missed my second of 150. I'm guessing you were the guy stripping down to make 93s?
Depends what he was picking me for. For 3-lift, yes i would turn him down, because im just not good enough for more than novice meets. Maybe one day though. For bench only i'd have a think about it, but if my third attempt doesnt even beat the top 5 openers, i'm clearly not competitive at that particular meet.
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Post by asdf on Sept 6, 2014 14:05:38 GMT 10
yeah i usually come in fat weak and panicking.
And its honorable that you would let someone else take your place if you were lucky enough to get picked.I personally wouldnt care.because i dont owe anyone, anything.And sure i may not belong in top tier competition but the sheer fact im there and in my own small way im contributing team points means i still would sleep well at night.Until the day before the meet anyway.
And you are underestimating firstly yourself..142.5 at 83 is pretty damn good in my books and secondly other better benchers can have off days and bad luck.And you learn more observing better lifters as they go about their prep than you would watching youtube.
Some people are picked on potential.
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Post by aljada on Sept 6, 2014 20:06:29 GMT 10
142.5 at 83 is not good when compared to anywhere outside Australia. I haven't yet seen Sealion turn up to a meet and bench what he should be capable of based on training.
I think team points only include the top 5 placed lifters from that team, from memory. I don't really see the point of turning up and coming last by 50 kgs.
If we had a development squad structure in place I could see the point of fighting tooth and nail to be included, but we don't and quite possibly never will.
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Post by asdf on Sept 6, 2014 21:48:51 GMT 10
But it includes points from guys who compete in the M1s and above yes or no?.
And i disagree.its good if u include NZ and surrounding islands.Without pretending to know more than wat i do..id say its up there.Enough to win or place?probably not.but read my points above again,and realise you gotta be in to win.
also your point of showing up just to get smashed like an equatorial guinea swimmer or an eddie the eagle(u might have to google that one seeing as he happened before u were born)has merit and is duly noted.
But lets expand that, if everyone thought that way..that would mean basically the extinction of athletic events as we know it.Heck you might as well hand out the medals based on whats happened before and training videos leading into it.
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Post by asdf on Sept 6, 2014 21:53:14 GMT 10
Also Alex u competed on the 26th as well.Now based on your previous performances,the rest of us really shouldnt of bothered to show up.Credit where credits due,you are outstanding.im srs.
i contemplated not showing up as i rocked gently in the fetal position in the corner sucking my thumb.now im not srs.
Where did you come in that meet, mate?
And im not making fun of the fact you got injured,i actually felt sorry for you.But its a dangerous sport and bad stuff happens.In training and on the platform and of course that risk increases expotentially the stronger u lift imo.Are u getting my point?
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