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Post by webby on Dec 7, 2013 17:44:17 GMT 10
I'm not usually into whinging about things but this comp has been pretty crazy. Running three flights, running super late and i've been told of some pretty crazy testing screw ups too. Lifters have been deadlifting up to 11hrs after weigh in and having to lift until 3am in the morning.
not to take anything away from the lifters who have performed amazingly but how are we supposed to attract big international lifters to our comps when we allow them to run like this?
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Post by battler on Dec 8, 2013 8:42:02 GMT 10
I thought the crazy lateness was always going to happen when I heard how many lifters were competing. Some simple maths will show that it's inevitable. IMO the qualification process was too easy and caused this as a serious side effect.
I saw on the chat many people asked why they have such long breaks between sessions. IMO it's largely because refs and spotters need to rest and eat, and they don't exactly have all new ones for every session. The later sessions also tend to have more lifters, and the spotters tend to be slower then (spotting & loading is an endurance sport lol) so it just makes the comp run even later.
Was watching the 105 jr last night and some lifters looked like they were about to have a lie down and snooze on the platform as it was 2:30am.
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Post by webby on Dec 8, 2013 10:09:49 GMT 10
Thats probably one of my biggest gripes, simple maths would have told them so they should have prepared for it. More refs, spotters and loaders for a start. I think if it's going to be this big then maybe they can afford to seperate masters and opens, might make it easier to manage. Would hate for all the big international lifters to go away and tell there friends how bad it was not come back themselves. There's been some pretty big wada stuff ups too which we'll hear about soon i'd say.
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Post by battler on Dec 8, 2013 16:57:02 GMT 10
I think they have limited resources and couldn't find more refs and spotters. Shouldn't have so many lifters to begin with. There were many at the comp who didn't even get A grade in Open or B grade in Juniors, while the qual totals PA web page says you need minimum Elite 2 (not sure about other countries).
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Post by BenchPolkov on Dec 10, 2013 9:49:07 GMT 10
They needed an extra day or 2 IMO.
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Post by paulmac on Dec 10, 2013 12:35:19 GMT 10
I didn't hear any of the big name international lifters like Mike T or Kimberley W complaining.
How many comps have you spotted at this year Colin? when are you doing your referees course?
In fact you were not even there
Are you just a complainer who expects everyone else to do the work?
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Post by pritchard on Dec 10, 2013 14:08:39 GMT 10
what were the wada stuff-ups? I totally get what Colin is getting at- but it was an awesome event to follow online. Some fantastic competitions and performances.
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Post by aljada on Dec 10, 2013 15:03:23 GMT 10
There was a world junior record that isn't official because the testers didn't realise they needed to test people who took world records. Pretty big screw-up.
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Post by paulmac on Dec 10, 2013 15:13:41 GMT 10
that world junior record was set after 2am, unfortunate set of circumstances
Lots of whinging complainers, how many of you are actually prepared to stepup and help assist in our sport which is run by volunteers?
Or are you just going to blame the people who volunteer the most time. One of the people you are blaming was there for EVERY session, 7am to 3am for wed, friday, and saturday, with thursday the only day finishing before midnight.
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Post by sealion on Dec 10, 2013 15:20:41 GMT 10
What is wrong with constructive criticism? And yes it is constructive. I think battler hit the nail on the head: "the qualification process was too easy and caused this as a serious side effect."
Also before you jump to the "i don't see you spottin n loading etc". No i don't. But i do support by attending comps, buying merch, and donating $$. I also pay my $150.00 membership fee. When i do compete, I pay my $50.00 entrance fee.
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Post by paulmac on Dec 10, 2013 15:32:03 GMT 10
nothing wrong with constructive criticism, I think the organisers realise that the comp was too big, so will be some changes next time. Doesn't change my point that complaining, but not volunteering doesn't help
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Post by battler on Dec 10, 2013 15:32:06 GMT 10
Wilks didn't make a lot of sense when I asked him about it, but wasn't it 3:30am in the morning and the testers were dragged out of bed, but because the test would've been dated the day after the comp (since the comp was "supposed" to start and finish the previous night) so officially it would look dodgy as if he only got tested the day after? Idk the whole incident was a bit of a circus. Poor Karl is in his last year of junior too.
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Post by battler on Dec 10, 2013 15:48:05 GMT 10
nothing wrong with constructive criticism, I think the organisers realise that the comp was too big, so will be some changes next time. Doesn't change my point that complaining, but not volunteering doesn't help I wasn't there at this particular comp, but I've been spotting, loading, coaching the back room and cleaning up at every Melbourne comp incl all the Nats since I started powerlifting. I'm not blaming any volunteer / support crew for this at all. Like I said earlier, they simply did not have enough human resources to run a comp with this many lifters over 3.5 days, and it should've been obvious to the organisers from the start. I mentioned this to Wilks when he first talked about how many Aussies were going over and he agreed that it will be a "disaster" - as he always says lol I think saying that the guys here can't criticise because they didn't volunteer for this comp is a bit silly. You can't seriously expect us to fly down there just to spot & load? It is hosted by the Kiwis, so you can blame their volunteers instead! Having said that, watching lifters overcome those issues and lift their best well into the early hours of the morning is quite fascinating! Over the stream, I could hear Wilks back slap the shit out of some poor guy who was going to fall asleep while deadlifting his 3rd attempt, just to wake him up. There are some amazing lifting, some bizarre "losing their damned minds" lifting and some seriously WTF attempt selections: the coach of that sub-jnr 83 who got the WR squat then bombed the bench, and a 72kg class girl who opened on squat 50kg then straight to 130 for the 2nd attempt. I've also learned that skipping the 2nd attempt to save energy for the 3rd is a tactic that consistently fails, and training at a too high BW then cutting a huge amount for the comp is also equally dumb. It might not have been a good comp to run, but certainly a pretty good one to watch!
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Post by aljada on Dec 10, 2013 18:31:52 GMT 10
I talked to the subjunior 83. Apparently he'd hit 140 for a double a few weeks ago. He also dropped from 89 kilos, so that probably had something to do with it.
I think for the sudden increase in the number of lifters beyond what they were expecting they managed very well. It's not like they could have added more days to the event as close to the event as they were when preliminary nominations went in. Hopefully next years oceanias/asians which is apparently going to "make this look like an egg and spoon race" will have more days and lifting more spread out.
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Post by BenchPolkov on Dec 10, 2013 21:24:30 GMT 10
I was there and I have my own complaints but I'm not going to air them. Overall it was a great comp though, even if just for the quality of lifting.
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